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Question - If one meditates in order to discover,
is not that in itself a demand? Jiddu
Krishnamurti : Obviously. You don't meditate
because you want to find truth, or to find
happiness, bliss, but to understand oneself and
learning about oneself is a constant process; that I
said is meditation, not in order to discover
something. You know, the word 'discover' is an
unfortunate word, but I don't know what other word
to use; one can use different words, but the essence
of meditation is self-knowing: to know oneself. And
you cannot know yourself if what you have learnt
about yourself becomes the measure.
I don't know if
you see that. I watch myself and I have learnt
something about myself: that I am greedy. I have
learnt about greed, the nature of it, and having
learnt, I measure with what I have learned all
future greed; and therefore I am not studying the
future greed as it arises but I am only measuring
with what I have learnt. Therefore - see the
structure of it! - the measure of what I have
learned creates its own opposite and hence the
conflict. Therefore all opposites, greed and
non-greed, when I demand or exercise will, or force
myself not to be greedy, in that very demand to be
not greedy is greed. See this please! Please
understand this.
I am violent, human beings are dreadfully violent
and we say we must not be violent, and trying not to
be violent is itself a very form of violence. But if
one is really aware of violence, that is, the nature
of violence, aggression and so on - we won't go into
all that - being aware of that and not wanting to
change it, not wanting to get to the state of
non-violence, to understand violence is in itself
freedom from violence - not its opposite.
So learning about oneself is absolutely
necessary, obviously. I must learn - but the
learning is not having learnt measure with what I
have learned. Therefore learning is always an active
inactive present - not having learnt something
previously, which then becomes the measure, which
then is the opposite of what should be and hence the
conflict.
So meditation is not a process of
self-hypnotism, which most people indulge in, nor is
it a form of inducing the mind to be quiet. Again
see what is involved, if I induce the mind to be
quiet, the very inducement is the noise which is
going to make the mind quiet which it is not. I
don't know if you see all this?
Source - Jiddu Krishnamurti talks in Europe, 1967
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